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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Dec 6, 2010 6:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: your goto GD song (Hey, prof, does this work for the blue-book exam?)

Unfortunately though, this type of fundamental issue spills over into real life, affecting important problems we face as a nation and and a global tribe. Not to throw fuel on the fire, but things like "global climate change" and which textbooks to use in schools -count me in the science camp. Difficult for facts and logic to win out over all the misinformation out there.

Love this type of discussion... group hug to all.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 6, 2010 8:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: your goto GD song (Hey, prof, does this work for the blue-book exam?)

Yup; the fundamental issue is to separate science as a process, which really is no different from mathematics, or physics, etc., from "scientists", much less "what to do with the information?".

Then, there's the correlation, which does upset many: scientists in general are agnostic/atheistic/humanists, and folks conclude this is because of "science" but it ain't necessarily so.

The crap I have to hear from folks about "science sez this and science sez that" is just absurd. The findings (body of knowledge portion of science) are one thing, and the process (science as a way of knowing) is another, BUT what WE do with it all, is yet again another beast altogether.

Glad you enjoyed it down here in the depths of the big board!

PS: the fact is that much of this conflation can be traced, in part, to the neocons that like to mix "family values" with politics, etc., etc., etc. Liberals do it as well, but science works best when these boundaries are well noted. We as a society could "decide" that we will do X, Y or Z, and thus have dire consequences for this or that aspect of the environment...the job of scientists is simply to make clear what the alternatives MAY be. Science, in and of itself, is "value free" (though as Kuhn pts out, scientists are not, of course, and there are lots of social influences on scientists, etc.).